A workable basic definition -- it's by nature complicated and squishy. It tells you that not only is history something to be toyed with, it's something to be violated.
In other news, can you tell me more about that apartment thingie? I've live in Grant Park before, and liked much about it, but of course, some bits are better than others.
Of course. The house is in one of the nicer parts. You know the fountain entrance to the park on Cherokee? It's about a block up and over from there on Oakland. It's a huge turn of the century or so home with big white columns and a beautiful magnolia and fig tree out front. We've been told that it was turned into a quadraplex in the 20's or 30's. The current owners bought it a couple of years back and spent a lot of time restoring it so everything is up to code. The unit that is up for rent is not the one above us but the one next to that. There are some pictures of our apartment and one of the front of the house here (http://chavaleh.net/gallery/New-House) and I imagine the other apartments have similar feature. Big windows, wood floors, non working fireplaces in all of our rooms. The heating and ac is all brand new. It's really a very beautiful street and area. Let me know if you want other specific information.
$950 and I'm thinking that includes washer and drier but if not, I'm fairly certain there are hookups. It's available now. They've shown it to at least a couple of people already but the sign is still out.
Heh, sorry thought Tim had mentioned it in his note. It's two bedrooms and one bath. Our tub is a bit on the small side so I suppose the one up there is too, but then you don't have quite as large an ass to fit in it as I do. :P I'm not sure how quickly it will rent out. We moved in in Feb and it was May I think before the other units filled up. I guess the guy in that one didn't work out. It's been up for rent for maybe two weeks now?
Dictionary.com says: Of or relating to art, architecture, or literature that reacts against earlier modernist principles, as by reintroducing traditional or classical elements of style or by carrying modernist styles or practices to extremes.
So pretty much anything inspired by modern themes?
Not exactly, because it needs to be a reaction against modernism. If a modern artist produces a minimalist painting, the postmodernist will remove the canvas and give a frame, but have Walter Cronkite hold it up.
argh, i spend too much time thinking about pointless concepts like this...
LOL OK, so a better definition would be anything that would make a middle class American citizen really pissed that his or her tax dollars went towards it's production or that would make someone say "well, shit...I could do that!" hahahahahahaha
Yes, well I think that about some of the Dada art! Yah, so I could paint a mustache on a picture on the Mona Lisa too. Fuck you Duchamp for being alive to do it first! ;) Right. hehe
My favorite is "I found this smelly old urinal in the street...hmmm what can I do with it? I know, I'll sign it and call it a found object and see if I can find a sucker to buy it. Muahahahahaha!" and that mangy old stuffed goat one of those guys had! I forget who's it was, but it was awesome. I quit the art school thing when I realized that art is about salesmanship. A good sales pitch/"artist statement" equals good art. The product doesn't matter, its all in the clever titles and explainations.
Thankfully Duchamp didn't do much selling out until he got older.
Oooo I like the story about the donkey they had painting in Montparnnase, made up a fictitious artist and got the works exhibited and reviewed. That cracked me up. A lot of the earlier Dadaists had a fantastic sense of humor about things, Duchamp, Man Ray, Picabia (even if two of them were jack asses) that kind of got lost when people like Breton and the one with all the T's and Z's in his name that I can't spell started manifesto'ing out their arses. They had some great titles though. :) Picabia had one I was reading about today called 'Portraite d'une jeune fille americaine dans l'etat de nudite' that was a drawing of a spark plug.
Oh, I just went looking for a pic of the goat and my bad..that was Rauschenberg. LOL I once matted and framed a piece of paper I'd been wiping excess paint off my brush onto, titled it "You Just Can't Leave Well Enough Alone, Can You!?" and entered it into a jurried show. It didn't win a prize, but it DID get into the show. LOL That was about my breaking point right there.
That's a riot. Rauschenberg is the fella who did a lot of work with Merce Cunningham and John Cage isn't he? I don't know very much about more recent modern art, still stuck in the 1900-1940 era but I'm really enjoying learning about the reasons why they made some of the things they did much more than I would have ever enjoyed just seeing their art in a museum or something. Their lives and motivations are fascinating to me.
Yes he is. I first read about him and the goat thing in a book about the life of Jackson Pollock I think. Pollock studied with Thomas Hart Benton...I just find that wild! Either that or one of the Andy Warhol books. I was obsessed with Warhol and Pop Art when I was in high school. I think I've read just about everything put out by any and all of the factory hangers-on. Yeah, the back stories on the artists themselves and their motivations is wildly more interesting than just the art by itself.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:08 am (UTC)It tells you that not only is history something to be toyed with, it's something to be violated.
In other news, can you tell me more about that apartment thingie?
I've live in Grant Park before, and liked much about it, but of course, some bits are better than others.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:16 am (UTC)Of course. The house is in one of the nicer parts. You know the fountain entrance to the park on Cherokee? It's about a block up and over from there on Oakland. It's a huge turn of the century or so home with big white columns and a beautiful magnolia and fig tree out front. We've been told that it was turned into a quadraplex in the 20's or 30's. The current owners bought it a couple of years back and spent a lot of time restoring it so everything is up to code. The unit that is up for rent is not the one above us but the one next to that. There are some pictures of our apartment and one of the front of the house here (http://chavaleh.net/gallery/New-House) and I imagine the other apartments have similar feature. Big windows, wood floors, non working fireplaces in all of our rooms. The heating and ac is all brand new. It's really a very beautiful street and area. Let me know if you want other specific information.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:23 am (UTC)Any concept on general price range?
What's the laundry situation?
Know when they want to rent it out by?
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:29 am (UTC)The price is certainly right.
Geez, this might not be soon enough for them if they're already showing it to folks, since we'd probably aim for September.
But hey, worth a shot.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:41 am (UTC):)
It would be cool - we shall see, and it's inspired me to look more for similar places in the Grant Park area.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:24 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:12 am (UTC)Of or relating to art, architecture, or literature that reacts against earlier modernist principles, as by reintroducing traditional or classical elements of style or by carrying modernist styles or practices to extremes.
So pretty much anything inspired by modern themes?
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:16 am (UTC)If a modern artist produces a minimalist painting, the postmodernist will remove the canvas and give a frame, but have Walter Cronkite hold it up.
argh, i spend too much time thinking about pointless concepts like this...
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:25 am (UTC)hahahahahahaha
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:28 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:31 am (UTC)You now owe me $5,000 for my definitive artistic expression.
Pay up.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:40 am (UTC)I accept traveller's checks, if hand delivered by macaw.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 04:36 am (UTC)I quit the art school thing when I realized that art is about salesmanship. A good sales pitch/"artist statement" equals good art. The product doesn't matter, its all in the clever titles and explainations.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:42 am (UTC)Oooo I like the story about the donkey they had painting in Montparnnase, made up a fictitious artist and got the works exhibited and reviewed. That cracked me up. A lot of the earlier Dadaists had a fantastic sense of humor about things, Duchamp, Man Ray, Picabia (even if two of them were jack asses) that kind of got lost when people like Breton and the one with all the T's and Z's in his name that I can't spell started manifesto'ing out their arses. They had some great titles though. :) Picabia had one I was reading about today called 'Portraite d'une jeune fille americaine dans l'etat de nudite' that was a drawing of a spark plug.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:49 am (UTC)I once matted and framed a piece of paper I'd been wiping excess paint off my brush onto, titled it "You Just Can't Leave Well Enough Alone, Can You!?" and entered it into a jurried show. It didn't win a prize, but it DID get into the show. LOL That was about my breaking point right there.
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Date: 2004-07-20 04:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-07-20 05:03 am (UTC)Either that or one of the Andy Warhol books. I was obsessed with Warhol and Pop Art when I was in high school. I think I've read just about everything put out by any and all of the factory hangers-on.
Yeah, the back stories on the artists themselves and their motivations is wildly more interesting than just the art by itself.